【HP官設】羅琳、裘德洛關於GGAD情感問題的訪談整理

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【1】。 “

Dumbledore is gay

，” she said， adding he was smitten with rival Gellert Grindelwald， who he beat in a battle between good and bad wizards long ago。 The audience gasped， then applauded。 “I would have told you earlier if I knew it would make you so happy，” she said。

Rowling， 42， continued： ‘

Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald

， and that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was。 To an extent， do we say

it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent

， but he met someone as brilliant as he was and， rather like Bellatrix， he was very drawn to this brilliant person and horribly， terribly let down by him。’

“鄧布利多是gay。”，她說，並補充道，在很久很久以前的一場正邪巫師的曠世對決前，他深深地迷上了他的對手蓋勒特·格林德沃。

鄧布利多愛上了格林德沃，因此當他最終發現格林德沃是什麼人時，他更加害怕。換句話來說，因為這個原因，也許我們應該一定程度上原諒鄧布利多，因為愛情在一定程度上使我們盲目。他愛上了一個聰明才智及得上自己的人，而不是像貝拉特里克斯那種人，他被格林德沃的才智所征服。

【2】。 J。K。 Rowling elaborated greatly on Gellert Grindelwald‘s relationship with Albus Dumbledore in the Harry Potter series in an interview， stating that while Dumbledore did have romantic feelings for his former friend， they were never reciprocated。

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JKR：［re： Grindelwald］ I think he was a user and a narcissist and I think someone like that would use it， would use the infatuation。 I don’t think that he would reciprocate in that way，

although he would be as dazzled by Dumbledore as Dumbledore was by him

， because he would see in Dumbledore， ‘My God， I never knew there was someone as brilliant as me， as talented as me， as powerful as me。 Together， we are unstoppable！’ So I think he would take anything from Dumbledore to have him on his side。

［提到格林德沃］我認為他是個利用者和自戀狂，而且我認為像那樣的一個人將會利用那點，利用那份迷戀。我認為他不會以同樣的方式回報他，儘管他會為鄧布利多而眩目，正和他對鄧布利多的影響那樣，因為他看到鄧布利多的是，“我的上帝，我從不知道還有和我一樣的人，一樣輝煌燦爛，一樣才華橫溢，一樣強大。兩人一起，將成不可阻擋之勢！，”所以我認為他會為了把鄧布利多拉到他身邊而奪走鄧布利多的所有。

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I wanted to ask you about that， because Grindelwald resembles - the golden curls， the first person I thought of was Lucifer。

JKR:

Mm-hm。 So you can call it a fraternal bond， but I think it makes it more tragic for Dumbledore。 I also think it makes Dumbledore a little less culpable。 I see him as fundamentally a very intellectual， brilliant and precocious person whose emotional life was absolutely subjugated to the life of the mind - by his choice - and then

his first foray into the world of emotion is catastrophic

and I think that would forevermore stun that part of his life and leave it stultified and he would be， what he becomes。 That‘s what I saw as Dumbledore’s past。 That‘s always what I saw was in his past。 And he keeps a distance between himself and others through humour， a certain detachment and a frivolity of manner。

But he’s also isolated by his brain。 He‘s isolated by the fact he knows so much， guesses so much， guesses correctly。 He has to play his cards close to his chest because he doesn’t want Voldemort to know what he suspects。 Terrible to be Dumbledore， really， by the end he must have thought it would be quite nice to check out and just hope that everything works out well。［Laughter。］

［提到鄧布利多］唔。你可以把它稱之為愛的束縛，但我想這給鄧布利多帶來更多不幸。我同樣認為這使得鄧布利多的罪責有些許減輕。我是這麼看待他的：起初非常有才華、傑出的早熟者，他的情感絕對被思想剋制——被他的選擇——然後他對情感世界的首次衝擊就是次大災難，我認為這樣對他的那部分生活產生永久性影響，使那部分變得無能（不再會愛），於是他就成了現在的樣子。這是我從鄧布利多的過去看到的，也就是我總能從他的過去看到的。於是他使自己與他人保持了一定距離，用幽默、某種程度的冷淡與輕浮的舉止。

但他也同樣被自己的智慧所孤立。他被孤立，因為他知道得太多，猜疑得太多，而且猜得很正確。他得把手上的牌貼緊胸膛去，因為他不想讓伏地魔獲知他的懷疑。成為鄧布利多是很可怕的，真的，到最後他一定會想，去檢查一下才好，並且只能希望一切順利。［笑］

【3】. On the matter of Dumbledore:

“I had always seen Dumbledore as gay， but in a sense that’s not a big deal。 The book wasn’t about Dumbledore being gay。 It was just that from the outset obviously I knew he had this big， hidden secret， and that he flirted with the idea of exactly what Voldemort goes on to do， he flirted with the idea of racial domination， that he was going to subjugate the Muggles。 So that was Dumbledore’s big secret。

Why did did he flirt with that？” she asks。 “He’s an innately good man， what would make him do that。 I didnt even think it through that way， it just seemed to come to me， I thought ‘I know why he did it， he fell in love。’ And whether they physically consummated this infatuation or not is not the issue。 The issue is love。 It’s not about sex。 So that‘s what I knew about Dumbledore。 And it’s relevant only in so much as he fell in love and was made an utter fool of by love。

He lost his moral compass completely when he fell in love

and I think subsequently became very mistrusting of his own judgment in those matters so became quite asexual。 He led a celibate and bookish life。”

“我從來都是把鄧布利多視為gay的，但是某種意義上這並沒有什麼大不了的。這部小說不是講述鄧布利多是gay的。只是我從一開始就清楚地知道他擁有這個隱藏的大秘密，而且他還曾經受到蠱惑想做與伏地魔同樣的事，他還受到過種族統治的蠱惑想征服麻瓜。所以，這些才是鄧不利多最大的秘密。” “他為什麼會受到這些思想的蠱惑呢？”她問道：“他是個天性善良的好人，我甚至都沒有細想過他為什麼會做那些事，這只是我的想法。我想我知道他為什麼會做出那樣的事，他墜入愛河了，而他們是否在這種意亂情迷的情況下發生身體關係並不是什麼大問題。問題在於愛情，而不是性。所以這就是我對鄧布利多的瞭解。而這就解釋了他在被愛情衝昏頭腦的情況下做出了一些蠢事。他在熱戀中完全迷失了他的道德方向，而我認為他隨後對他在這些事（指愛情方面）的判斷力產生了極大的懷疑，因此他成為了一個完全無性的人，度過了獨身禁慾、潛心於書籍的一生。”

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